"At each other throats." -CNN

"Ugly as a wedding dress inside a slaughterhouse inside a divorced vegetarian." -Fox News

As you can see, the 2012 debate season is heating up. And by debate season, I am obviously referring to the debate of how best to pose the following math problem to students:

First, the back story.Draw a rectangle on a square grid. An example 9 by 3 rectangle is drawn for you below. Draw one diagonal. How many squares does the diagonal pass through? Develop a rule to determine the number of squares a diagonal passes through for any rectangle of any size.

**The players**

I worked on the problem myself. A pattern eluded me. Worked some more. Had a particularly helpful insight. Now a pattern emerged. Proving this pattern now eluded me. A few false steps and insights later, I was satisfied with my argument for why this pattern would in fact continue.

**The set-up**

**The tale**

But where's the problem, you ask? Exactly. By now my kiddos are used to seeing things like this. They know that the first step is to come up with an interesting mathematical question, what some might call a #anyqs or 100qs or "what can you do with this" or WCYDWT or WWJDWT. For now I'll ignore the barks of "Who cares!" My students bought in and came up with a great list of questions. Here's a selection (edited for mathematical fanciness) for your viewing pleasure:

- What is the length of the diagonal?
- If I change the size of the rectangle, how will the length of the diagonal change?
- What's the area of the rectangle?
- How many squares are in the rectangle?
- What's the area of the triangles?
- What's the perimeter of the rectangle?
- Does the red line cut the rectangle in half?
- Can I walk around the blue and red lines without crossing my path?
- How many times does the diagonal go though an intersection of the grid (a vertex)?
- How many squares does the diagonal pass through?

**The wire**

In short, I posed the same problem I had earlier posed to my students to a group of teachers and asked them what questions they had. The problem is that I didn't explicitly tell them that while I appreciated their answers, we were going to focus on one question in particular. Another problem is no one asked the problem I had set up on the next slide. Anyway, you can read the details on Dan's blog if this recap wasn't enough.

I am indebted to Dan for pushing me to be more careful about how I talk about posing problems with both students and teachers. That said, the piece that fascinated me the most was the assumptions in the comments about why this #epicfail occurred.

Part of the problem, of course, is grounded in teachers’ fear of what would happen if a truly open question led to something that exposes teacher ignorance.

Expecting students to play mind-reading games and then disrespecting their ideas when they fail to come up with exactly the “correct” question/answer seems like an error to me.I don't think this is just me being defensive, but I think these comments are way off the mark (at least in my particular case). I have zero fear of exposing my own ignorance in front of my students. Feel free to ask them if you don't believe me. :) And I did

**not**have a "correct" answer in mind, I just had a next slide. A later comment by Maria Droujkova actually did an excellent job of describing what was in fact going on and how this could easily be resolved.

[Y]ou have to tell people, explicitly, what it is you are doing. Here is how I would plan it:

1. What questions would you ask about this diagram?

2. Thank you! If we had an extra hour or five, students could solve these fine questions and more. Hopefully, forming the questions helped you to get to know the diagram more personally. The next task: ask just questions about things you can count.

3. Thank you! So, again, we could pursue these questions with students. I prepared a question of this type ahead of time to demonstrate the next stage of the process. I like it because it recently inspired a good discussion in math teacher blogs, and has some history in Olympiads.

**The sting**

Fast forward to today. I posed this problem again, this time using the updated version of:

I made sure to preface with the fact that I valued their questions and would love to have the time to explore each and every question, but had a particular question in mind. Once again, teachers came up with some questions (nowhere near the number or diversity of questions my sixth graders came up with, but my sixth graders had more time and more training). Once again, no one asked the question about counting squares (which, I will remind you, was a question one of my sixth graders asked).

So I'll leave you with this question. Was this another #epicfail? Should I give up with this particular problem and just include the question? Does it really matter? Anyone at today's session reading this feel cheated? Maybe I'll see what 101qs thinks.

I made sure to preface with the fact that I valued their questions and would love to have the time to explore each and every question, but had a particular question in mind. Once again, teachers came up with some questions (nowhere near the number or diversity of questions my sixth graders came up with, but my sixth graders had more time and more training). Once again, no one asked the question about counting squares (which, I will remind you, was a question one of my sixth graders asked).

So I'll leave you with this question. Was this another #epicfail? Should I give up with this particular problem and just include the question? Does it really matter? Anyone at today's session reading this feel cheated? Maybe I'll see what 101qs thinks.